not a pro bud but they always end up satisfying my needs. they do alot of work in a season. up to 6 days a week picking up or beating. the mistake i made with the last ones was letting them do both so im wanting to keep one of these soley for retreiving and just walking to heel even in the beating line, which is mainly walked anyway. the 1 ive chosen for retreiving will also be my new fowling dog when i retire the old bitch so this will split them up a bit aswell. thank you.