we have had rough collies here that would bush, rat, ferret and take rabbits on the lamp as well as do well at the shows
they were my mothers show dogs that i use to "exercise" for her
if she knew half the crack they got up to i would be shot
I would agree that some are brainless wonders, but aren't there in every breed?
I would agree with you whole-heartedly on the shelties, my aunt used to breed them, some would take the eye out of your head