before the ban......we would push foxes into wooded borrans like this all the time and drop a terrier in. in the lakes and fells thats what their for if you said "ohh bit bad looking that" then the hunts wouldent get half their foxes. they have to be clever dogs, a bayer isnt much use as the fox will dance and slip about in them rocks all day long just keeping out the way you want a dog that can kill his fox and not get to bashed up doing it, if it all goes wrong then with the hunt you will have 30 or more willing sets of hands to help..