Well its the same with the Terriers too, and how can you tell a working terrier? Dont just say half its gob missing cos thats not a good worker, thats one that wont last long and will need replacing! (in my eyes anyway) I have a dog here that I NEVER show an ANY shows because he has a barrel rib cage due to a digestive problem as a youngster, he works Fox below ground with no problem, BUT to judge him you should say, NO, the SHAPE of that dog means its not ideal for the job it was bred for, yet he won! there were 6 others in that ring. Either the judging is as bent as it is in KC shows or