in fairness the mod in question never claimed they were the best at any taskbut i think its fair to say he got the best out of those particular dogsnot doubting that at all mate nor am I having a go, just saying theres better breeds proven over a long time so I cant see the point in the crossi wouldn't dispute that John, agree that its not a mating you would do intentionally.just off to check on my corgi x poodle, done 8 hrs in the ground today and bit sorepmsl......well done that dog