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I'd feed anything that works. White dog or Fell , no big names attached to them. B
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What do guys make of this puppy Peddler? Wedgy some of the foundation bitches for the white line in Cork were bought directly from Bert Gripton. Is this the sort of thing that's ruined working terriers? I don't think it is.
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He'd be run out of town by the THL mob? some of the foundation bitches for the white line of dogs in Cork came directly from Bert Gripton
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Geansai, pronounced like "gan-zee", is the Irish gaelic word for jumper
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I like this 1/2 cross, she's a grand daughter of Ch Spooky. Bred by main attraction stateside
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There are some small bulls still about. Even Ameicans. So size isn't always an issue with the cross. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=107921
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Great post Neil, it confirms the most fervent belief of THL terrier breeders, "Breed 'em tight" But the devil is in the details, Frankel the greatest ever race horse was scatter bred. Oh SHIT!!!! (only 7 common ancestors in a 5 generation pedigree of 62) http://www.pedigreequery.com/frankel3 It's a interesting example though? Probably more to do with one mans genius and ability to see something different to everyone else when looking at an animal. Vincent O'Brein from Cork was the guy over 50 years ago that decided that the Northern Dancer horse would dominate flat race breeding.
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sealyham type dog was called Tip, from Durham rather than Tipp.
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No Lonely in those pictures, but the same stuff really. (There's a picture of him in the bluck book I think) I was young the first time I met TJ and had my first digging terrier. I asked TJ what he thought of him? "I'd probably shoot him" Jaysus he was an honest man with me lol. But he said If I got rid of that terrier he'd help me get some good stuff and he did.
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TJ was my biggest influence starting out.
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I know of men that dug back in the 70s-80s and they reckoned that the EB was a betterx for producing diging dogs,i always had the staffx's and still have 1 to this day but seen some very usefull EBTx's aswell. I posted a few pictures in the old fashioned russels thread ( i lied, they all have EBT blood except the black which has staff blood)
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the 3 rd one down looks like it's done some time in the tunnels bitch in the picture with the greyhound and wheaten was the only cull amongst those pictures, the rest did a lot of work, some are just pictured when they were young. That old dog did do some serious work and produced a few good ones too.
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grand daughter of gadget, 1/8 sealyham type blood from Tip
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all bar one long dead
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not sure this lot are "pure" enough
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this was a bit before THL
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Is it just me or does this dog look too scatter bred for THL to use at stud?
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He would only throw like that if he was prepotent. In other words if the genes relating to work ability were all pure dominant DD. Which would have the effect of covering any weakness in the bitches make up ,but unless the offspring were mated back to the sire it could all come undone again if the next mating was an outcross to a dog that was not DD even though he may be a good worker himself. Prepotent dogs are rare unless they have been inbred. Fantastic theory but Smithy was a complete outcross.
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I think yourself and CorkyJohn are confusing open stud and stud fee. Open stud just means letting people breed off a dog. Price doesn't affect the outcome with the pups. Try to stop worrying about other peoples money and just think about terriers. CorkyJohn have you heard of the Cork dogs The General and The Blindman? (dogs from the white Cork line) They were both available for anyone to use ( and free!) Of course loads of shit was bred off them but they also produced the line thats still being bred today. The more those dogs were bred decades ago the more that's available for guys to br
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Nothing is going to stop shit being bred. Nothing! If a terrier stud is put over springer spaniels it won't affect working terriers. It wouldn't effect a working yard. If patterdales are made a KC breed it won't affect working terriers. All those people breeding for shows or pets or money or fame? They branch away from digging men. So how do people think Smithy being at open stud damaged working terriers???? Guys breeding only for work are a small group, probably a minority in the terrier world. It's when these guys can't get access to the best dogs or bitches that working terrier
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A guy with a really great stud dog at open stud, is doing more for future working terriers than someone with the same dog that mates it to his own and a few friends bitches.
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I don't think there was anywhere near the amount of pedlars about then as there is now, but nowadays every f****r is breeding terriers with no thought what so ever about there working ability. It's all about the pennies these days, and I think a lot of these pedlars get there inspiration from the likes of Gould and Nuttal etc as they must of earned a lot of money over the years from selling dogs. Are Gould and Nuttal very wealthy men? I wouldn't think so.
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Dig a few feet back from the dog and or to the side.
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Do guys on this thread think that Gould's Smithy being at open stud for money did a lot of damage to working terriers?
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This is closer than most terrier people would ever go. But this dog performed and produced. His Sire is a 1/2 brother sister breeding and Dam is father to daughter breeding. Bred together they were grandson to daughter. Of course the big thing is everything behind these dogs was tested. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=428 He GR CH S.T.P.'S BUCK (7XW) ROM is crossed to a bitch out of a brother sister breeding, then a brother and sister from that are crossed again to produce another producer and performer Ch 357 http://w
