cheers lads n c i understand what your saying but i didnt ask for pictures and i certainly want have a new hobby next year ive only ever done terriers and lurchers but only bushed wuth terriers people talk about genuine dog people iknow there hard to find but becouse someone is new at something dose'nt mean they aint genuine dog people ive had terriers all my life me dad before and so on the only time i never had a dog when i was younger we moved on a site were we was'nt a load dogs but thats it always working dog's to get into digging seem's the next step im doing it for pest control for farm