with pups fair enough, some times too much going on and too much input from other folk, the pups don't get a fair chance ,patience is the key,and nobody takin piss when things don't go too well Exactly. Not all terriers will fly to ground the first few days out so alot of patience is required. The last thing a young terrier needs is some big mouth saying it should be doing this or cull that thing. Sometimes terriers that start off slower become great workers if given a small bit of time.