There would have been no more terriers present no matter who was judging, terriers are falling away at all the shows. And another thing you've got to remember Toasty, nobody makes you go to these shows, it's a voluntary act. I am all for people having opinions, but to launch personal attacks on both the judge and the organiser on a public forum is just showing the bad sport you are. How many times has it been said on this and other forums, you cannot, no matter who you are, judge a dog's working ability in a show ring. Shows are exactly that, a show, an exhibition, not a working test. yes, the