cheers stevo , its a large fowl though ,just as well ,she has a bakers dozen under her ! ,tuzo how much brightness ? they are in a coup 1m x 0.75m and about .75m high would something like a 9w low energy be ok ?"i think thats about 40w in old money" in the coup (their feed and water is in the coup ,well thats what i did last summer anyway and thought about the same with this lot )