and all black terriers are pats?or fell type?? yeah right ..Not getting too involved with this one .Find a proper old type SMOOTH russel now like hens teeth .Im afraid its all gone too far now with the white lakie blooded stuff now in fact the JRTCGB are bigger culprits than the KC.You want a decent proper old type russell now look abroad.Germany have the better type than the UK now .I remember when you could put a white terrier to a coloured one and you would get reds now you get red, white and tricoloured but mostly russell coloured??As with all types small pockets will break away and breed