David darrrling you overlooked 1 thing here,KAY is a very popular lady on this site so it might be a good idea to back off now before her many adoring fans(of which i am not one)will pull you to shreds,you are a seriously grumpy individual it seems,such a shame theres enough serious shit talk on other topics to focus on,general is just that,no necessarily hunting,light hearted banter on many topics.if it bothers you to such an extent......just leave...simple as that.NOW HAVE A NICE DAY