Undisputed your a scream,lol.Ive heard some silly tales in my lifetime but thats the best yet, Video that for me would ye,lol.Theres no need to be doing anything dramatic to sort the dogs out with stock.Just get up off yer arse and when the dog is a wee pup walk it amongst the sheep etc and if it looks wrong at them give an unmerciful roar to get its attention,once this is done a few times(usually once or twice is more than adequit)the message gets through.Using whips etc is not needed.When force is needed thats a sign you left it much to late to be introducing a pup to farm animals.Regularit