The Billy's were big heavy animals and took a bit of holding ,and a large type strong dog has an advantage ,but your correct ,it's not a red hind or fallow stag so no.. nothing to be boasting about ,I know if the opportunity ever came again ,I'd pass on dogging them and choose a rifle,you mentioned a .22,had you success in dropping goats with that caliber? It was a 223 every time for me,...