baz.....no i havent had any joy yet, as i said, i dont want any old russell. and theres plenty of them about, people that put anything over anything because they look smart, and look the part, and could put a few pound in their pocket, they are not for me...... i want a pup bred for the right reason, out of good grafters, thanks for reply,
maccy, thanks for reply, i dont usually get the countrymans, but i'll have a look,
cheers,
atb
jay.