CharlieT

No you don't. Mine just says Fox and vermin.

It's the little boy on me, I love a fire! Remember though that meths, as it evaporates quickly, does not burn very hot. Think wetting your finger with it then lighting your finger, it doesn't burn you. It would only be the burning patch that would cause heat and that could be mitigated with, as I suggested, water poured slowly over the outside.

As did I but I don't see any reason one could not cool it during the burn with ice or cold running water gently dribbled over the case.

My thoughts were along the burning idea. Me, I would dry it out completely so that the patch was tinder dry, then soak it in meths and light, should burn it nicely. Follow by a good flush with boiling water.

If the doctor is adamant that he does not want the rabbits killed, then there is nothing you, as a hobby shooter, can do. The chap renting the ground can, as SS said, apply to NE for authority to do so, but such action will result in confrontation between the farmer and the doctor and could well end up with the doctor terminating the lease. You as a hobby shooter are not permitted to shoot the rabbits and even if NE authorised the farmer to kill them you would not qualify under the control terms. Best keep out of it as it will all end in tears.

Isn't that only semi-autos? I thought pump action weren't mentioned in that legislation. I stand to be corrected. You are of course quite correct. I should have made that clear in my post.

And just remember that it is illegal to shoot game birds and wildfowl with a S1 shotgun

U Great debate, I enjoy such discussions - thank you. C

The act is indeed clear on what is illegal. The Deer Act makes it an offense to use a shotgun to take deer, except under certain circumstances (humane dispatch & section 7) Therefore, except in the prescribed circumstances (HD & S7), it is illegal to use a shotgun and when using one to take deer under section 7 of the Deer Act, the exemption which applies here, the act states a cartridge. Which is why I suggest that only a cartridge is legal. Of course the Act also makes the use of a cartridge illegal too (except under the exemptions mentioned above). SCHEDULE 2 Sec

As I said in my last post, as the act only talks about cartridge it could be argued that using anything that is not a cartridge is illegal.

We have established that a MZ is a shotgun for the purposes of the Firearms act and that one can hold ball & slugs on a SGC. Therefore, the only other legislation that comes into play is the Deer Act. As the Deer Act makes no mention of MZ's, we can only interpret what is written concerning shotguns. One must use a shotgun of at least 12 bore (that's the easy bit) and a non spherical ball, ie a slug. The only fly in the ointment is that the act only talks about the cartridge, so it could be argued that as a MZ does not use a cartridge it would not be legal. The Act states:

Well found SS. That's my interpretation out of the window.

I, rightly or wrongly, read it the other way. A solid lead ball becomes ammunition once it's loaded in a MZ and once loaded it becomes S1. Back in 2008, FELWG were approached by Bill Harriman to authorise the use of muzzle loading rifles to shoot fox, they had in 2001 refused to sanction their use on deer. Now I realise that referred to rifles but it poses the question, if I'm right and ball becomes S1 when loaded then would the above apply to a MZ shotgun loaded with S1 ball. A proper can of worms !!!

The Firearms Act describes ammunition so- (2)In this Act, the expression “ammunition” means ammunition for any firearm and includes grenades, bombs and other like missiles, whether capable of use with a firearm or not, and also includes prohibited ammunition. The HO guidelines state- 2.7 “Shotgun” means a smooth-bore gun (not being an air gun) which: a) has a barrel not less than 24 inches in length and does not have any barrel with a bore exceeding 2 inches in diameter. The length of the barrel is measured from the muzzle to the point of ignition (breech face). For

Remembering that the Firearms Act defines a muzzle loader as a shotgun. It comes under the Firearms Act Section1 (4) (a) (4)This section applies to any ammunition for a firearm, except the following articles, namely:— (a)cartridges containing five or more shot, none of which exceeds ·36 inch in diameter; (ammunition for an air gun, air rifle or air pistol; and ©blank cartridges not more than one inch in diameter measured immediately in front of the rim or cannelure of the base of the cartridge.