alot of these dogs steve,run on the fens,if they have to jump its ditches mate not many obsticles on the fens,different land where we run our dogs they need to jump and stock break,,,no offence english lads because i was down 1 day with a good coursing lad,,got out the car they were a wooden fence easy 5 n foot high way ditch on other side, the lad walked back to middle of road walked to the fence gave it the call and up and over without a problem,,me personaly would not have let my dog jump that way big ditch on other side so there you go steve..seen it with my own eyes mate.