I know good few lads with genuine 1stx wheatengreys & 2nd,3rd gen 1/2xs that keep themselves to themselves paulus they leave they dogs do the talking in field & keep the line between close & trusted friends, the grandsire to my wheatonx pup was a 1stx wheatongrey & killed over 500+ foxes in 4 season preban with a good mate of mine who lamped with his owner at the time so you tell me a is that dog not good enough to breed from??? Atb cbx