The last two replies are the reason why experienced terrier men on this forum dont bother posting any more because the shapers and the know nothings always have a stupid answer for anything put up.Instead of mabye listening and mabye learn something.I have never seen a dog dug to on a regular basis (even the hardest of dogs) who have not come to grief sooner or later by a wiley old fox who makes him pay when he has the advantage.And i still dont understand how with locaters dogs are getting dug more frequently so they are more experienced than dogs that were dug without locators .I would have