been keeping lakies for a number of years now,what i just read in this post could happen to any of the terriers we use today,there failures in all of them,pats,lakies,russels whatever...its the way it is,iff i didnt happen we would all have super dogs some folk have great success with a certain breed,and who can blame them for not changing,iff it aint broke ,dont fix it....got to agree with stevieD a lot of the lakies i seen need holding back....nothing like seeing a young terrier showing keeness to go about what its bred for,its as we all know,then up to the owner to pick the right momment..