cheers for all the advise, yes he was on his own when he kopped the rabbits he took them in the open as well so i know hes got it in him, i think what ill do is take him along and put up with the stick! i think i am being impatient but i supose when you are new to it all you tend to want a good dog right from the start one thing i do know is its a cracking sport and its just great to be out and watch them work, i will keep going to the terrier show and become a regular face and hopefully get invited out a bit more.