yeh thanks to those who realise im asking the questions as im learning myself,good to see not everyone on the forum has there heads up there bums yeh it may seem stupid asking how to get a ferret down a hole but everybody starts somewhere??no need for sarky comments stubby,i asked a question because i didnt know the answer,thats how you got to be the best on the subject got a book coming to me from sombody on the site,and been looking it up on the net,so should give me an insight.also a boy i know who lives up the road,i went to see him earlier so we are going out somday in the week with hi