What always dumbfounds me is, it seems pretty much accepted that Breay started with the black Patterdales as we know them today. Which will have been late 50s/60s ish? At the time will have been the young Nuttall, Gould, Brightmore etc that carried it on. So why does it seem so impossible to pin what actually was crossed with what to produce the original, true to type ‘Black’ dogs of today?