millet i no your right mate and every thing you said is right, i need to sit n have a good think on it, i no its not goin to be easy but at the end ov the day am only thinkin ov meself not the pup`s , i will not want a pup off her as the next pup i have will be a 1 from the pup i just bread and the other bitch off my last litter, but that is not for a few year yet as i wanted the dog pup off this litter to put to the bitch off my last litter 4 year back, they are the same breadin but the bitch has more collie and the dog has more deerhound but both dogs have deer/sal/grey n collie in there m