Couple a good ideas there lads cheers, going to try and set up a sparrathon for the kids that should raise a few quid and maybe a wee car boot sale. I was thinking about the just giving thing but dont it would be ok to just do that without asking him after him refusing money from me, wee mans got a lot of pride about him sounds daft but I think if I put that on FB he would fall out with me, thanks for the kind words n ideas lads ?