Be too late even to take straws off him I reckon. Shane because the first litter we kept all the pups between the lads who we were out with and all of them made it not one had a reverse and could run forever too I remember the white bitch ran a fallow in pitch black ground was just white with a sprinkling of snow she was gone for what felt like 10 min then we heard the bouding past another couple min it went quiet we got to it she had it over hold of his face. That was the bitch I had with me when I bumped into you at that perm behind my old college ?