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Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
100% i had to come off those groups on Facebook, people breeding litters out of lurchers & the only pics you see of them are at shows chasing carrier bags, and they’ve got the cheek to say “will make good working dogs” The final straw for me was when I got loads of abuse for saying I don’t have any permission I just run my dogs where I like. When lurcher owners are turning on their own for poaching a few bits for the freezer you know somethings gone very wrong somewhere down the line. Think a lot of them forget the origins of the dog they keep and it wasn’t to eradicate the lords -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Definitely not faster, a couple were right plodders but still got injured all the time, just no good really are they if they need all that time off that’s the bottom line -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
You’re right there they shouldn’t be injury prone, I’ve seen a few first crosses and owned one myself they’re as hard as nails injury wise. It seems to be these line bred coursing hybrids that throw a lot of injury prone stock, I don’t know why but the majority I’ve seen out of romeo, bulldozer, rover etc you couldn’t get a full season out of them. Thats not to say they’re all like that but a good 80% of the ones I’ve seen in the past few years I’d say were a lot softer built than your first crosses. Coursing dog enthusiasts will say I’m talking shit but hand on heart that’s the truth I’v -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I think I’ve just got a soft spot for them because I grew up round a few if I’m honest, but I do like fast dogs, I won’t keep something that’s not got plenty speed they don’t suit me. Got to say though mate the dogs I’ve seen with the worst feet have been generation bred coursing hybrids, saw a couple out of Romeo that would smash their feet up running on sand. By looking at your pictures you’ve been in to dogs a long time. Would you say you’ve noticed as times gone on, lurchers in general have got less durable? When I first started out I don’t remember dogs having half as many injur -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Cracking looking dogs are they alright for wind that cross or do they burn out quite quick -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Like I said in my previous post I’m going off what I’ve seen with my own eyes, most of my running is on medium fields and the last 4 coursing dog x pures I’ve seen could kill round hull, Lincoln etc but up where I go none of them killed so a lot of them do lack gear it’s just a fact. Just opinions though were all different -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
That’s true but a dog can be as clever if it wants but if it doesn’t have the gears to outpace the hare in the first place it’s not going to kill it. They don’t need to be rockets but if they’re too steady they’re definitely no good for fields -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I think it’s a fair point to listen to men with more experience, there’s always something to be learned, but worth remembering a lot of the older men are giving opinions based on their experience running only fens, times have changed you can’t walk massive land all day as if you own it so you need to adapt your dogs as well as your hunting style. I’ve seen a few lurchers back to pure Salukis and I wouldn’t own any of them for running medium fields, there’s definitely better options. People will disagree but I’m speaking purely based on what I’ve seen so all our experiences will be different. -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
A lot of the coursing dogs/bitches I’ve seen, even the ones out of fast lines, I felt could benefit from an extra gear, I know they’re not bred for medium/small fields but the way things are now you really need a dog that can adapt, best looking types I’ve seen for fields are heavily saluki influenced lurchers, but back to a whippet x greyhound or similar, think that’s a good way to go to get an all round hare killer they’ll maybe lack a bit for fen but for a dog to take anywhere it’s a mixture -
Turning in to a beauty let’s see some more bedlington xs
Shadow100 replied to poxon's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Coursing boys been selling pups at £1000 for years, as soon as money gets in to anything it’s ruined -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
It won’t work every time going back to the greyhound, but it doesn’t work every time going back to the saluki either so I suppose it’s just what clicks with the bitch. Only way to find out is try both like you did -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I like the idea of lurcher back to a good greyhound, a lot of people disregard it & say they’re injury prone but how many have actually witnessed it first hand, most will just have seen it written on here or heard a mate say it then repeat it as if it’s fact. A lot of lurchers I’ve seen in the past few years lack urgency, happy just to cruise up to something as if they've got all day and before you know it, it’s made a wood. An outcross to a greyhound would fix that problem, it might have its downsides but so does every breed so it’s definitely worth a go in my book. After all wi -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I think that’s the bitch joe went to, to produce lucky -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I’m sure he was bred to a pure saluki to produce a dog called beanie, that was then put to swoop to produce caulfields joe -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Good points made, think thats an important part of breeding, admitting when you get failures. It’s the worst feeling in the world rearing something for 18 months and it doesn’t make the grade, but if you make excuses for it & breed from it down the line you're just asking for more failures. If we’re honest real good ones dont come along very often. There's another side to that though I wonder how many top class prospects have been ruined by bad owners. See it all the time young dogs with flat feet, long nails, no muscle, that sad look in their eyes. Then beside them an owner scratchi -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Always liked the deerhound lurchers, think they’ve got a powerful look about them -
Lucky was out of caulfields joe to a bitch called seal that’s all I know, best of luck with the pup
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How’s the pup meant to be bred? That dogs been dead a long time
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Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I agree with that about producing lines, but where I think people go wrong is saying “it’s not done much that dog but it’s really well bred”. How many times can you do that before you end up having to go 3 or 4 generations back to find a dog that was actually tested properly. A good line it’s a great thing, but if the lads aren’t testing the stock on the ground at the moment it won’t stay a good line for long, it’s grandparents cant kill for it. Suppose there’s a lot more to it that just killing ability though, a dog can be really injury prone but if the owner doesn’t run it enough -
Just get the end joint removed, i had it done with one of my old dogs and if you get it done correctly by a good vet they will stitch the pad back up so it’s still makes contact with the ground when running, unless you look closely it just looks like they’ve got no nail on that toe.
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Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Is there a reason why the breed needs to be kept 100% pure? That sounds more like a kennel club sort of set up than trying to breed good working dogs if that makes sense. I think breeding is important to an extent, but i don’t think it’s all it’s made out to be, some of the best dogs I’ve seen have been scatterbred worker x worker, and I’ve seen dogs that are very well bred on paper and they couldnt kill a hare in a phone box full of snow. If I was breeding a litter and had the choice to use something average but “well bred” or something top class of unknown breeding, it would be th -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
One of my old coursing bred dogs could really run, but it was so injury prone you could never get it right, had to be pet homed in the end. After all what good is a classy runner when it spends half its season in the sick bay Putting a bit of lurcher x lurcher blood back in seems to throw a tougher type. I’m a big fan of 1st & even 2nd cross saluki x greyhounds though, In my experience they wouldn’t match a line bred coursing hybrid on big land because they lack the wind these types have, but all round they’re a much more durable animal and the ones ive seen have a bit of fire in the -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I’ve steered away from coursing bred dogs mate, I think in this day and age you’ll do very well to find a durable one that can do a full season without significant lay offs. A lot of them run lovely on a big seed but they’re soft made no getting away from it. I believe that’s a man made problem as well but I won’t go in to it and ruin this thread. I wouldn’t have a lurcher without saluki blood in for what I do but it’s worth saying I think ‘home bred saluki lurchers’ and ‘coursing dogs’ are totally different things. This is only my opinion not saying it’s right for everyone. A goo -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
Just the way I look at it, if I want a pup that’s going to run in the UK, why look abroad when there’s lines of hybrid lurchers that have been doing well in the UK for the past 30-40 years. Almost feels like trying to reinvent the wheel when there’s no need to. Also can’t help but notice a lot of the foreign stuff looks very weak. When it’s cold & wet, a bit of substance can go a long way -
Pure beeds where would you be without them ?
Shadow100 replied to juckler123's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
The proper working strains of scottish deerhounds have all but died out. When I said die out I meant in this country, there’ll always be the odd import coming over but apart from the saluki nothing else has really caught on over here in a big way, and we’re at the stage with saluki hybrids & UK bred pures there’s no need to bring imports over IMO. Someone had a few brought over a few years ago now and they were a bit of an anti climax to say the least. Its easy to assume the grass is greener but I think the best stuff for UK terrain & quarry species is already in this count