Lads I had them many years ago,they were the best at that time,i had a small rough Russell bitch,she was very game,she would hunt cover all day and if by chance she put a fox to ground she had no problem going in after it,as I said she was small but she was a sounder as I called her,i crossed her with a friends patterdale dogma very hard dog and at that time his patterdale looked like it had a bit of bull in him,he was as hard as nails,no backing off from anything,but he was a hospital case as he was laided up for about 6 weeks after every outing,so we put the two together and I got 3 red Russ