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  1. Bolero
    Then you got the coy wolf on the east coast lots of them in the North East where I live not sure where else they are located. As far as the percentage of wolf in them it’s supposedly around 12- 15% or less atleast from the ones some researchers used to get the information. Usually rang from upper 30’s to low 60’s in weight the ones in the 60 lb range are few. I have only seen 2 in my life and would guess were around 55 Lbs but that’s just a best guess nothing more. I will say that they were some really healthy strong looking animals had a nice full coat and looked well fed
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    Lol thanks. Appreciate the heads up
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    And that right there is what I feel most don’t understand which is there are dogs Bred to kill and dogs bred to fight two very different jobs. Now the fighting dog that also has the instinct to kill is a dog man’s dream lol. I would think a dog who wants to fight would be mostly useless for what you do with your dogs
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    Could you explain to me how if the dog has the yote by the throat would the coyote in anyway be able to take a hold of the dog. I won’t say it impossible but as close to being impossible as can be
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    Not many dog men are going to put there dog in the box with a pure wolf. For one someone actually having a pure wolf is highly unlikely. Part wolf part dog has been done but I’m talking maybe 2 or 3 times at most at least based on what I have been told by a couple old timers who were active from early 50’s to mid 70’s. They said because of the bulldog most likely being killed fairly quick and if not the wolf hybrid quit cold. So not really worth since of the high chance of death for the bulldog at the hand of a hard biting cur with a very big weight advantage.
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    100% correct my friend. Bulldogs are the only dog I ever owned and just like you said they would not be my choice of dog if I did what you do. A bulldog isn’t even close to fast enough and for most part won’t be killing fast enough or efficient enough to even consider using one from the job. Way to many of them want to fight a coyote like the do a dog and release there hold for a better one thinking the coyote is going to stand there and swap it out with them. the type of dogs you use is like you said the way to go.
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    I know this is a very old post. But i couldn’t agree more 100% spot on. Plenty of bulldogs have had there mouth worked right out them. could not have been said better my friend.
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    There’s a few bulldogs who done had the whole muzzle chewed up so bad close to completely removed and was removed as part of medical aftercare and not a sound was made nor the thought to quit ever cross his mind. If you feel so inclined you can google Norman Hooten Yard tour almost positive it’s on YouTube you can also try Hootens Pistol one of them should work. Pistol is the dog I’m talking about. Whether you feel like doing that or not is completely up to you.
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    I would say the different being the terrier is facing an animal first and foremost trying to stay alive and only will fight back if escape isn’t an option no not 100% of the time is this true but more often than not it is also this does not occur each and every time a terrier goes to ground while the pit dogs job is to engage in combat each and every time without fail and one who will continue to there very last breath is the trait being specifically bred for. The working terrier is an amazing animal and I have nothing but admiration for them and the men who work them but gameness in the highe
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    I respectfully disagree with brains not needed. Intelligence is definitely a trait a good breeder want and takes into consideration when choosing what dogs to breed to. We could be referring to two different things as far as intelligence goes so I will explain what I mean. Most call it pit intelligence which would be a dog who is very good at staying out of trouble which means the other dog has a hard times getting a hold and usually when the do it’s not a very good one. When the other dog does get a good hold the smart dog is very good at getting out of it by using leverage, body position, go
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    Seeing as the American pit bull terrier is specifically bred for gameness and anyone who breeds them for the pit will have gameness as the most important trait a dog needs if they are to even be considered wort breeding from. Now in no way is it the only trait taken into consideration and it were that person who only care about that one thing wo my be very successful. And without a doubt dogs that most likely weren’t game have definitely been used for breeding but from the very beginning those breeders whose dogs have not only been south after I there time but have also have done what is neede
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    That’s what I was taught lol. Most feel that the pit is the only test for it. There thinking is because the dogs involved both have the desire to be there and for lack of a better word choose to be there. Now I understand it is the person who sets up the situation but there is nothing keeping the dogs there other than themselves. Most matches took place in rural areas outside and within the pit walls being only 2 feet high a dog would very easily be able to jump out and make a break for it never to be seen again lol. They feel that hog hunting does really test a dog hard enough and more than a
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    I never met the man myself but I know Danny Burton who was like a son to him. From what he has told me. And also stuff I read he was definitely a hard man also he was a bootlegger so I guess could be considered a gangster. I would say he was more or less like most men from that era though. He was married and most of his living was made from the chickens and the dogs. Prohibition didn’t last very long so the money maid form that was only a few years. He definitely was a no bullshit kind of guy and didn’t sugar coat stuff. If he didn’t like a person they knew it and he did kill at least one man
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    I can’t say with 100% certainty as I was not around then or even close to being born lol but I live only half an hour from Lou colby when he was alive and spent some time there over the years and I will say his father and him felt it was very important to keep accurate records about the dogs. From what John P Colby, Lou’s father had written about the dogs he start with and where they came from and from who the men were the working class sort very skillful in the trades carpentry and stuff like that. A lot of the dogs he got or bred to were because if he knew of any work available and if he co
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    Would you mind saying where these American pit bull terriers came from. I’m not trying to be a jerk. American pit bull terriers that are being bred specifically for being used in contracted matches with specific rules and referees and can be traced all the way back to the dogs that were first brought here. Those are the dogs people who actually work them are referring to as American pit bull terriers and anything other than that has no reason to be using that name. When there are multiple records of these dogs in a match that is 2 hours long or more no I’m not saying this is a regular occurren
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    Absolutely that must be why the men who actually put there money on the line to prove there dogs instead of talking out there ass use these similar type dogs you speak of instead of the dog that has been bred for that very task for the last 200 years lol. This ain’t a fairytale sunshine when a person who has a good amount of money on the line there is one dog that is used time and time again during the last centuries and that dog is the American pit bull terrier. Now I don’t think for a second that the amount of money being bet makes the quality of the dogs better in any way but when someone i
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    What on the world did just say lmao. Your joking right. That has to be the most absurd think anyone who has ever said anything about dogs has ever written there is not a single breed of dog more game than the American pit bull terrier. Now I’m talking the breed as a whole not as specific individuals. Now anyone who has any clue about gameness knows most won’t prove game but if a game dog is what you want then the American pit bull terrier is your best chance. Now there are those who feel that gameness can only be proven in the pit I’m not one of those people but the pit is definitely wher
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    I’d say that is the best information I’ve read on origins of these dogs. I have always felt that various working terrier types were crossed to the bulldog and depending on one’s preference the percentages of terrier to bulldog would be different. Just based on there being dogs that were in the 60-70 lb range down to dogs as small as 12-15 lb is what makes me think some crosses were more terrier and others more bulldog and overtime all got mixed together. Old match reports show dogs from 12 lb all the way up to the 70lb plus range. Colby’s pincher fought close to 63 Lbs not 100% sure of the wei
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    Seeing as the likelihood hood that well to do types from either of those places actually owed a fighting bull terrier because it is very well known that the breed known as the bull terrier created by Hinks was never bred for the pit. What was known as the bull terrier by the men that actually used them in the pit which is was sole reason for there creation was not the same as the bull terrier show type
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    You can lie to yourself all you want it’s okay by me but anyone on your side of the pond who takes the dogs seriously would wholeheartedly disagree with you. You guys can hate the name American pit bull terrier all you want but the facts are the dogs reached a whole different level in America and nothing can change that. Is it that big of deal really there are a bunch of working dog breeders in your country that a much better than the same breed in America
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    I won’t go back and forth arguing this but men from England, Ireland and Scotland came over to America brought with them the pit dogs they owned from those countries. The history of these dogs is probably one of if the most well recorded of any breed. These dogs and the men that owned and matched them weren’t a very big group everyone pretty much knew each other. And good dogs weren’t a secret if there was a good in an area problem about the dog and most of the time saw how good they were themselves and the American breeders would find work for the owners of those good dogs and get work for t
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    I guess that would depend on what is being considered a pit bull. If calls dog a pit bull that means the dog is bred down from dogs of fighting stock. You might have to go as far as the fourth generation before seeing an actual bulldog but technically it is still an American pit bull terrier but in name only. Now as for a true Bulldog a few are still around and i only know of 3 people that have access to them who hog hunt. But the don’t strictly only use one type of dog. Any dog of any bred that can catch the way they want them to they will use. A few Coyotes from time to time have had the dis
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    Yep. Baiting a dog is a fairly common tactic they use. They will get close and see whether or not the dog will give chase. If the dog goes for it they will keep enough distance between them and the dog where they are close enough so the dog thinks it has a chance of catching them. If the dog breaks off the chase sometimes they will stop and try teasing the dog again to chase them. Just to give you an idea of how the speed of a coyote of a dog doesn’t have some type of running dog in the mix they ain’t catching them no way. Only time a dog like an American pit bull terrier can kill one is if t
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    That is correct but when one of the two are known to be easily handled by children and hand fed not a pet but fully wild badgers and if this was tried with the other type of badger at best a finger would be lost but most likely a good part of the hand will be gone the European badger being the one who can be handle and hand fed there is actual video footage of this I would venture to say that there is quit a difference in the two l
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    Not quite sure what you mean by that. But I’m not going by the looks of the American badger I’m going by not only what I have seen but also want those wotg much more ex have see
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