im sorry didn't read this post proper I was distracted by the hunter and barbour bit and seen {red} lol what a true post and your right about the genuine ones ? they wont be seen on here or any other site but there stuff is still doing it and hunt service that I know because these iv pushed work there way and It wont improve because of the gene pool being so small hence the using of patts and lakeys in the mix ? some beddy coats are total shite anyway long may they keep working there little battlers ,I stick to me lurchers nowadays ?