I agree mate, there not cheap even more so the wolf and the Eagle..... I was thinking of getting the optic-fire xc 50 with the 940nm pill, its states 300yd which I would,nt need for sub 12 but then the 940 would knock some range off that to start with so I'm guessing it will get me out to 200yd for spotting..... Just dont know where I'm gonna stick it... The hw100 weighs enough as it is without the viper on top plus an Xtra IR, I use shooting sticks, I was thinking if there was a way I could attach the torch to the swivel head of the sticks with a rattail to turn on and off, then as the gun r