Nice...thankyou....sounds daft phil but I dont like the look of the hw110k, looks like half a gun, but I rate the hw110st a lot as I use the 177cal to great effect...the two I mentioned are the two I'm interested in and will more than likely have one or the other, shot count isn't that important I'm lucky if I shoot ten shots when out shooting that's with a zero check haha, 8shot fx, 10shot hw110, neither a problem...big difference in price, but i am trading in the hw100 in 177 so that's not a problem either....but do fancy a .22..need to go to rfd and have a look as I've never held or shot a