well thanks to them in the know ,its the old chestnut,believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see ,at least i feel i can give an honest opinion of what i have experienced with some good bred/trained dogs,it just shows the real dog men on here the unexperienced of those who really think they know what they are talking about,other wise they wouldnt have commented,to all those who looked and didnt comment on a dog they knew nothing about sjm,i know collie/greys and yes they make good dogs in the right hands,like any dog i guess jmo,but obviously you have never owned a beddi/whipp,so