at a guess neil ,i would say that the fellas you were talking to were northern men,they would still be a bit sore ,ask them what happened when peter died,were they at the funeral,and what happened his dogs when the funeral was takeing place,dont think they like to say to much on that one,also do you no were peter found his line,it wasnt up north and thats a fact,ive been at that scene along time ago and its not heresay,its practical experience,its nice to catch up with a few of the terrier men