Good point Gnasher, but how about this scenario, my son has for long enough for me to recognise it's not just a passing fad wanted to do dog training work ; including the agility, protection and all other things that go with schutzhund sport, although I admit there probably are,not many youngsters into this I personally think it's great, he,ll still have his football which he is mad about , 'tweak won do or however you spell it and other sports he likes and I,m hoping this is something else that will keep him focused ( and me ) Opinions ?