Thanks Phil and leegreen hadn't thought of leading him in the more I think about it the more I'll leave it off until the warmer weather there's a place near me I've seen gundog trainers getting there dogs in and out the water because as said its a gradual slope. It's not that he doesn't like water though lads he just ain't interested in picking anything up while he's in there I've got picks of him in and out the river while fishing at a real young age up until Christmas time but dummy's feather and fur he's just not interested if it hits the water. Cheers for replies folks.