Gutted

[cymruguy69 5]

A few Months ago I posted about my pup opening up after she had gone after a hare that had been lifted by another dog the course only lasted 20 secs as it was on a steep hill and the hare went out of sight.

 

Anyway since Iv'e kept her to road walking and away from fields where she might see something. she's nearly 11 months old now and I ventured into a field that might of contained somethig but I was in a rush for home and this was a shortcut.

 

Sod's law is the pup wich I stupidly left off the lead bolted a rabbit from cover. it was very ferney and dont think any dog would of been able to strike. I am gutted though as she opened up straight away.

 

I don't know wether this is excitment or frustrating. This is my first lurcher and I know she'l make a fantastic dog if it wasnt for this opening up. I'm waiting for september to use her on the lamp could anyone advise me on the opening up scenario??

 

I really want this dog to make the grade and will do anything.!!

 

Big Thanks

[scouser3038 1]

Im pretty new to the game Cym but ive spent a lot of time reading through other peoples posts an this seems to be a common problem!!!

 

All the advice ive seen from some of the more experienced members is to maybe give the dog a rest and then start it on something nice and easy to build up her confidence As opening up is sometimes due to frustration!

 

Im sure you will sort it out!!!

 

 

Ant

[Ray Mears 272]

give her a rest for a few weeks its only a common problem because people expect to much from young dogs

[Guest joe ox]

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Edited May 18, 2008 by joe ox

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Cymru; How many times have you yeself just refered to this bitch as a " Pup ", mate ....? And there's the best part of ye own answer

 

At eleven months she is, very much, still a pup. If she were a human, she'd still be into silly 'Boy Bands' and driving half of us up the f*cking wall in the Chat Room! She yet knows nothing about life and the world. She's just on the verge of finding out. Let her do so, as time goes on, and allow her her silly behaviour untill she matures a little.

 

What she'll do next is actually get on terms with a rabbit and then start mouthing it. Dropping it. Nosing it and even standing there barking at the bloody thing! Seen it all before, mate. It's just what some Dogs go through

 

As has been suggested above; If she f*cks up a bit? Just take her home and leave her alone to grow inside her head a bit more. Try again later. And one day she'll hit that rabbit so damn hard it'll make ye heart burst and from that day on ye'll be well on the road to forgetting she ever was a silly pup and, by the next season, she'll be quite the little veteran.

 

I had a little " Bull X " thirty years ago. Damn thing barked at everything he chased, day and night. Never caught damn all either. But then, he was only 9 - 11 months himself during that phase. We were both inexperianced, see? He grew out of it. Became an absolute consumate hunter and took Every quarry, in complete and ruthless silence, for the rest of his days.

[cymruguy69 5]

Ditch I think youv'e helped me see the light its road walking for me and flash! I don't think it could be frustration as she's only ever ran 2 rabbits and that one stupid hare lol !

 

It's road walking for me and flash. and we'l see how she goes in september on a nice squatter or maybe even a dropper what you guys think?? I'l keep her to the lamp for a while to. leave the ferreting for the latter half of the season.

 

so am I right in saying I havn't got a serious problem on my hands yet??

 

Cheers for the replies.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Personally mate, I don't think ye have any problem at all. Just a young Dog who's still maturing mentally and physically.

 

Experianced and capable hunters aren't just born that way, ye know? It takes them time, effort, experiance and making mistakes to get a handle on their craft. Lurchers too don't come out of the whelping box with bulging muscles and a hard glint in their eye.

 

Just take it steady and give her enough experiance ~ once she's mature enough to make use of it ~ and she'll catch on. Experiance is the greatest teacher. And with those lessons will come confidence. For both of ye You'll see.

[cymruguy69 5]

Cheers Ditch!!!

[Guest SJM]

If theyre going to do it they will do it, simple as. You can hold it off, keep it on, take it to easy bits, hammer it etc etc it doesnt really matter what you do, if its going to do it, it will do it. You always get people on these forums saying oh it must have an injury, wait til its older, get it checked over by a vet, dont worry its excitement and a hundred other lame excuses. There has been much twaddle written about it as well, the fact is no one knows for sure why some dogs do it and some dont. A mate of mine has a young dog that has just started doing it out of the blue, and its a half decent wee dog that has done plenty, killed a few hares and has never showed any signs of doing it up til now You could drive yourself mad wondering why the dog is doing it, but the best thing to concerntrate on is whether or not you can tolerate it - be honest with yourself.

 

You have to either live with it or send it to the hunting ground in the sky. Or I suppose you could pass it on to someone else who doesnt mind it yapping? And there are those out there who can shut their ears to it, if the dog is handy enough on the rabbits or whatever else. The fact your posting on here saying your gutted makes me think you would be better parting company with the dog as it will always dissappoint you

[snoopdog 1,256]

WELL IF THERES ONE THING ABOUT SJM ..SHE WILL TELL YOU STRAIGHT AND SHE HAS ..AND WHAT SHE SAYS IS ABOUT RIGHT . ..YOU MAYBE HAVE A SMALL CHANCE ..OFF IT NOT DOING IT AGAIN AND THATS WITH DROPPERS ONE AFTER THE OTHER EASY ONES AT FIRST 5 OR 10 YARDS OFF A FEW OF THOSE AND SLOWLY DROPPING THEM FURTHER AWAY DO THIS OVER A COUPLE OFF WEEKS IT WILL BUILD ITS CONFIEDENCE UP AND IT MIGHT REALISE IT DOSENT HAVE TO YAPP .....BUT I WOULDNT WAIT MUCH LONGER I WOULD START NOW ...... JMO ......ALL THE BEST SNOOP I HAVE SEEN THIS WORK BY THE WAY BUT ITS A SLIM CHANCE ...BUT SLIM IS BETTER THAN NONE

[tote 854]

Yeah,I would agree with both SJM and Snoopdog,chances are the dog will do

it from now untill eternity.It might not yapp on every rabbit,maybe only one in three

or one in four,but i'm pretty sure it will open up again.

 

There are no reasons for it as far as I can see I've experienced it myself in the

not too distant past.I had a half cross collie/greyhound that I started off on the lamp

when he was 10 months and he took off right from the start,he just seemed a natural

 

Well "Monty" must have had about 60 rabbits to his name,and missed a few more and there

was never a squeak out of him.But one day when I was out walking the three lurchers he put up

a rabbit in a small plantation[he was 14 months] and took off after it with a yelp yelp yelp.

 

Come to think of it the word GUTTED explains exactly how I felt.Well from that day on he was a yapper,not on every rabbit but on a high percentage of them.I gave Monty to a friend who had a

yapper before and didn't seem to mind.

 

What caused him to open up? I'll never know I just think it's something that's in some dogs,

and there is no telling untill it happens I've seen a few pups started way too young,chase rabbit

after rabbit yet they never ever let out a squeak.

 

Matthew follow Snoops advice and give the dog some easy ones and hope for the best mate,

good luck.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Un F*cking Real!!!

 

So, what? I've been sitting here in my armchair making all that I said up? There is no choice but to shoot the Dog or pass it down the line? My own Dog who just grew out of it is / was a Dog of fantasy, right? Un f*cking believable!

 

Ok, look; I'm sorry if the mear mention of the fact that I actually owned a Bull X ~ and worked it to quarry I wouldn't even mention on this forum ~ before many of the people expunding here were out of nappies, if even in them at that time, has put any noses out of joint. Maybe that wrankled? But just to completely wash past the fact that someone who's never been called a 'Jacker' has succeeded where you lot appear to have reverted to " Dropping " bloody rabbits at measured distances (???), shooting Dogs or slinging them down the chute rather smacks of an attitude of 'What I can't manage can't be done. Period', to me. You couldn't do it, so No One could Concievably do it.

 

Dogs, much less those who gain control of them, are not peas or pints of Skol. Isn't it concievably possible in you peoples minds that Cymru may just happen to have what it takes to stick with this Dog of his and see it through where you failed? If I had that attitude I'd be swearing up, down and sideways that mink simply can't be caught and advising others just to to bother percevearing!

 

 

If you stay with a dog and give it experience, in the end it will probably do the same for you. Nothing fails a dog more than a human that will quit on it.

[ferret15 0]

Personally mate, I don't think ye have any problem at all. Just a young Dog who's still maturing mentally and physically.

 

Experianced and capable hunters aren't just born that way, ye know? It takes them time, effort, experiance and making mistakes to get a handle on their craft. Lurchers too don't come out of the whelping box with bulging muscles and a hard glint in their eye.

 

Just take it steady and give her enough experiance ~ once she's mature enough to make use of it ~ and she'll catch on. Experiance is the greatest teacher. And with those lessons will come confidence. For both of ye You'll see.

 

i agree give the dog a chance and it should settle

[snoopdog 1,256]

YOU SHOULD RIGHT A BOOK DITCH MMMMMMMM WHAT SHOULD WE CALL THE BOOK (THE MAN WHO CAN )....HOWS THAT FOR A TITLE . ..DITCH YOU MIGHT BE TWICE MY AGE WHO KNOWS ...?? AND YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD RUNNING DOGS SINCE I WAS IN NAPPIES ... ...BUT ITS NOT MY FAULT YOU BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THOSE YEARS MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR OLD WAYS AND LEARN SOMTHING .. FOR ONE I HAVE NEVER OWNED A YAPPER BUT HAVE KNOWN QUITE A FEW THAT HAVE ..SOME DOGS YAP BECAUSE ITS JUST IN THEM AND THEY DO IT ...SOME DOGS YAP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ENTERED TO YOUNG OR JUST ENTERED WRONGLY WHICH EVER WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL NOT TOLORATE A YAPPER FOR A LOT OF REASONS IF SOMBDOY CAN THEN GOOD FOR THEM .... ...BUT ME I HAVE ALWAYS BROUGHT MY PUPS ON WITH A DROPPER OR TWO AND NEVER OWNED A YAPPER WHY SHOULD I TRY ANY OTHER METHODS WHEN THIS ONE HAS ALWAYS WORKED ..... WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF BRINGING A PUP ON THIS IS MY WAY AND IT HAS WORKED FOR ME IF IT HADNT THEN I WOULDNT BE OFFERING ADVICE ...UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST READ AND LISTEN TO OTHERS THEN GIVE ADVICE ...INSTEAD OF GIVING ADVICE DUE TO EXSPEARIENCE .....ALL THE BEST SNOOP

 

 

AND IAM NOT SAYING DONT GIVE THE DOG A CHANCE I HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME GOOD ADVICE IMHO...I HOPE HE TAKES IT INSTEAD OF WAITING MONTHS THEN TRYING TO ENTER IT AGAIN AND IT FECKING YAPS BECAUSE IT WILL .... GOOD LUCK CYMRUGUY 69 ...HOPE THING WORK OUT

[towzer 3]

YOU SHOULD RIGHT A BOOK DITCH MMMMMMMM WHAT SHOULD WE CALL THE BOOK (THE MAN WHO CAN )....HOWS THAT FOR A TITLE . ..DITCH YOU MIGHT BE TWICE MY AGE WHO KNOWS ...?? AND YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD RUNNING DOGS SINCE I WAS IN NAPPIES ... ...BUT ITS NOT MY FAULT YOU BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THOSE YEARS MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR OLD WAYS AND LEARN SOMTHING .. FOR ONE I HAVE NEVER OWNED A YAPPER BUT HAVE KNOWN QUITE A FEW THAT HAVE ..SOME DOGS YAP BECAUSE ITS JUST IN THEM AND THEY DO IT ...SOME DOGS YAP BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ENTERED TO YOUNG OR JUST ENTERED WRONGLY WHICH EVER WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL NOT TOLORATE A YAPPER FOR A LOT OF REASONS IF SOMBDOY CAN THEN GOOD FOR THEM .... ...BUT ME I HAVE ALWAYS BROUGHT MY PUPS ON WITH A DROPPER OR TWO AND NEVER OWNED A YAPPER WHY SHOULD I TRY ANY OTHER METHODS WHEN THIS ONE HAS ALWAYS WORKED ..... WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF BRINGING A PUP ON THIS IS MY WAY AND IT HAS WORKED FOR ME IF IT HADNT THEN I WOULDNT BE OFFERING ADVICE ...UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST READ AND LISTEN TO OTHERS THEN GIVE ADVICE ...INSTEAD OF GIVING ADVICE DUE TO EXSPEARIENCE .....ALL THE BEST SNOOP

 

 

AND IAM NOT SAYING DONT GIVE THE DOG A CHANCE I HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME GOOD ADVICE IMHO...I HOPE HE TAKES IT INSTEAD OF WAITING MONTHS THEN TRYING TO ENTER IT AGAIN AND IT FECKING YAPS BECAUSE IT WILL .... GOOD LUCK CYMRUGUY 69 ...HOPE THING WORK OUT